well someone asked how do i know the parts werent used.... i simply wanted to get the direct quote and make sure i wasnt stating somethin that wasnt correct , it was meant to have been right behind my previous post but u and your fast hand got in there quicker [img]smile.gif[/img]

 

theres the quote that basically states the parts werent returns, or refurbished parts by onyx, and are therefor new, </font>[/QUOTE]or maybe scott has to say that....due to NDA.

 

If the sub pictured with the Onyx motor did not perform poorly due to the supposed "defect" then i dont see an issue whatsoever. Parts is parts. Judging by the amount of glue on that motor id say that ring didnt fall off so IMO RE did enough to make it their own. If the subs in question have no visual or audible problems then this all should really just be a bump for Onyx.

Impress me, prove the defective part in question will not perform as well as any other used in RE's (NOT ONYX) application.

Only then i will join the herd.

Heres just a out loud thought, i find it curious that in threads elsewhere guys are now saying that Onyx is now better than RE.....umm if you look past this mishap to the fact that they use the same parts....wouldnt it be fair to assume they are pretty much the same? [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] Up till a few days ago RE was on the damn good speaker list. Im sorry, but regardless of recent events they cant suddenly become crap over this. Not unless the parts are causing failure. &gt;

 

That is totally not true. I don't know any company who would "throw out" an entire set of clubs because one is scratched.

I do not own an RE sub, and I don't think I would have ever thought of buying one even before all this stuff came up. But consider this. Rolex has 1000 watches made for them. The machenery of the watch (the stuff that makes it run) is found to be deffective by Rolex. So they sell the watches to Casio with an agreement that Casio takes all the Rolex logo's off them before selling them as Casio watches. A customer goes to the watch store and thinks he's paying full price for a Rolex and after a year or so, the watch is working perfectly fine but he has to change the battery. He pulls the back off and see's everything inside is made by Casio. Now, should this guy be pissed? Alot of you guys are saying no he shouldn't be pissed because the watch works fine. The bottom line is the man payed for a Rolex and not a Casio. I sure know I would be pissed.

But all of this ie hersay because we don't know what the defect is/was and how it effects the driver. </font>[/QUOTE]as for the golf clubs, i work for UPS, i spend half my day at a mall loading dock chatting with other drivers including the guys from forzanis, thats their policy, one club is damaged, they all get tossed, and anyone caught takin em outta the trash is charged with theft. it sounds retarded to me too, but thats their deal.
if u think about it, its the only way to recoup your loss via insurance, because the clubs are covered as a set, if the manufacture screws up on one, they will replace the whole set, and thus want the other 11 to be destroyed so they arent giving away free profit to distributors, at the same time, if damage happens in shipping, again the entire package is covered not individual contents, so to collect the cost of the item the rest is lost and replaced.

see now we arent talking about sony xplode subs being passed off as mb quart, your analogy is backwards, if casio sold their "defectice parts" to rolex and rolex sold em as rolex's then yea u have a right to be pissed, but this isnt want happened,

now if casio sold rolex a bunch of watch batteries that it couldnt use, but rolex could, and did use them in their watches, would that warrant accusations of shady business practices? keep in mind we are talking about a PART of the sub, not the entire sub. RE simply used a part someone else couldnt use for whatever reason, in thr production of a larger unit, like i said, if RE simply put a backplate on onyx returns and sold em as brand new RE gear, then yea id be pissed , but this isnt the case,

[ October 05, 2003, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: Tha-Game ]

 

That is totally not true. I don't know any company who would "throw out" an entire set of clubs because one is scratched.

I do not own an RE sub, and I don't think I would have ever thought of buying one even before all this stuff came up. But consider this. Rolex has 1000 watches made for them. The machenery of the watch (the stuff that makes it run) is found to be deffective by Rolex. So they sell the watches to Casio with an agreement that Casio takes all the Rolex logo's off them before selling them as Casio watches. A customer goes to the watch store and thinks he's paying full price for a Rolex and after a year or so, the watch is working perfectly fine but he has to change the battery. He pulls the back off and see's everything inside is made by Casio. Now, should this guy be pissed? Alot of you guys are saying no he shouldn't be pissed because the watch works fine. The bottom line is the man payed for a Rolex and not a Casio. I sure know I would be pissed.

But all of this ie hersay because we don't know what the defect is/was and how it effects the driver. </font>[/QUOTE][img]graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/@bow.gif[/img] consider "the nail hit on the head."

 

That is totally not true. I don't know any company who would "throw out" an entire set of clubs because one is scratched.

I do not own an RE sub, and I don't think I would have ever thought of buying one even before all this stuff came up. But consider this. Rolex has 1000 watches made for them. The machenery of the watch (the stuff that makes it run) is found to be deffective by Rolex. So they sell the watches to Casio with an agreement that Casio takes all the Rolex logo's off them before selling them as Casio watches. A customer goes to the watch store and thinks he's paying full price for a Rolex and after a year or so, the watch is working perfectly fine but he has to change the battery. He pulls the back off and see's everything inside is made by Casio. Now, should this guy be pissed? Alot of you guys are saying no he shouldn't be pissed because the watch works fine. The bottom line is the man payed for a Rolex and not a Casio. I sure know I would be pissed.

But all of this ie hersay because we don't know what the defect is/was and how it effects the driver. </font>[/QUOTE]Yea but were talkin Movado and Rolex. Not Casio and rolex. Its still good stuff? I do see your point tho! I had the REV 1500 and found it was sposed to be the same as three other amps, then found it was different (supposedly), then heard something else. Blah blah blah. This does happen with stuff coming from that build house. I dont know, maybe im not surprised because im not new to this. I dont know. It all seems perfectly ok to me. (unless that parts causes failure, but this is still in the air)

 

k like i said before im not familiar with either lines of drivers so are RE that great and Onyx garbage? or are they comparable drivers

if ones garbage and the other is gold ok fine im wrong ur right,

but if they are roughly the same quality, price, performance then why are people acting like they are so ripped off because theres engraving on their sub? honestly, i think in a few years these subs will be somewhat of a collectors item, same as misstamped coins, and whatnot, cus they are a fully functional screw up

 

Both are great, i have recommended both and considered purchasing both. Settling on Onyx a year ago. They are local, and i was impressed with Scott after phone convos and had planned a trip to demo before purchase. Well no money so anyway.....like i said they are both excellent subs.

 

Well it does matter to a bunch of ppl because if are buying Ferrari's and getting defected parts, you are going to be pissed. I know I would be. If they weren't genuine Ferrari parts througout the car it would make ppl furious. Think about this, if you one day looked under your hood and was fixing something and happened to take a cover off or something, and found KIA engraved on the engine headers, I would freak. If it said GM or VW I would be pissed because I bought the car thinking that the car is going to be a Ferrari, in and out and that they could make the same part or whatever without taking the "KIA" off of it.

I know lots of cars share the same parts, engines too, like the Toyota Matrix and the Pontiac Vibe do. But at least they make the parts with different names on it. I think DeStijl just got really lazy and tried to cut corners or maybe it was RE cutting corners and telling them(DeStijl) to make a plate and just cover the logo up.

RE did not get their crap together to make sure that the logos were taken off properly, as I see it, it's poor business by RE. They were trying to make more money and got caught. Poor business ethics makes for poor management, etc.

BTW who decided to one day take the backing off the sub, I guess someone on the inside must have known something, cuz I don't think that many ppl are going to say "hey I bet you my motor is Onyx under this backing, but the cone says RE"